I told Allecto awhile back in the comment somewhere (probably to her analysis of Firefly) that I’d write something about Philip Pullmans “The Northern Lights” books.
There are lots of things I’ve been meaning to do and have not/won’t. I don’t think I’ll actually get this post done.
But Dissenter has done an analysis comparing it with literature she considers more feminist. I’ve read both Garth Nix and Isobelle Carmody (The authors whose stories she compares to The Northern Lights) but alas, I can’t remember any of it at all. Not even a shred. O.O
Here’s her post!
I’ll reproduce a comment I made there, just ’cause its got an excerot from the book which I considered to be one of the msot problematic:
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I agree with your position, and I’d like to make an addition to your note about female intellectuals. Here’s an exceprt from the book:
“Are you the female Scholar?” said Lyra. She regarded female Scholars with a proper Jordan disdain: there were such people but, poor things, they could never be taken more seriously than animals dressed up and acting a play. Mrs Coulter on the other hand, was not like any female Scholar Lyra had ever seen, and certainly not like the two serious ladies who were the other female guests.”
Mrs Coulter goes onm to explain that she works for one of the coleges, but she’s not really a scholar. So, because she’s pretty and not a boring dowdy female scholar Lyra takes an interest in her. The conversation between Lyra and Mrs Coulter goes on for awhile, and then we get this quote:
“The two female Scholars had nothing exciting to tell, and sat in silence until the men came.”
Yeah. Totes feminist…. Blargh.
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For reference Lyra is the ’strong female lead.’ She’s got a lot going for her that I like. She’s stubborn and willful. She’s fierce and she was the first woman to step foot in a room at a college which was rserved previously for men. (If I remember correctly she just snuck in out of curiosity and because she wanted to. Thats cool.)
But what she has going for her is strongly overshadowed by what she has against her. Like the attitudes above, where female scholars are to be taken less seriously than animals dressed up for a play. I mean. Err. Some sisterhood.
She doesn’t seem to develop close relationships with other women. I mean, she has the thing going on with her mother, but for the most part Ms Coulter was played up as evil. Yeah yeah, she repents in the end whatever but part of that repantance was keeping Lyra knocked out and unconscious for months ‘for her own good.’
She develops very fleeting relationships with women. Women we don’t hear about later, or who don’t seem that fleshed out. Like her friends mother, or Ms Serafina. N’those relationships never seem that strong…
While it mentions that women were restricted from doing things, it does it in this really well… light… way. It doesn’t critisize it. it just says thats there. And then the female scholars are played up as boring. Ms Coulter is played up as having had to manipulate the system to get anywhere. (Which you know, I’m not inherently against, but it was showing her as manipulative to show her as bad, bad, bad. Bad mysterious, pretty, evil, manipulative, malicious women! Bad!)
Lyra becomes less and less ‘fierce’ as the books go on. In the second book we’re introduced to a male protagonist who seems to do everything while Lyra sort of whines a lot.
Err. I didn’t mean to write this much, and its sort of cool that I have actually, though I wasn’t thinking very hard about it when I was doing it. Maybe I have written that post I wasn’t going to write…
The short of it is that these books are at best ‘not feminist’ and at worst ‘downright womanhating.’
I read these books because they were touted to be awesome steampunk literature, and I’m really digging steampunkery at the moment. On a semi-related note here is a picture of me dressed as a steampunk. So that these books turned out so bad feels like a big dissapointment.
I want to see steampunk boosk where they put the punk into steampunk! If we’re focusing on Fantastical Victorian Era England That Never Was With Amazing Technology, then maybe highlight something about class isseus perhaps! Show the poor revolting! Show the women fighting!
Show… Something…. punky. I guess. :/
Ergh. On another aside to this whole ’steam of consciousness ramble’ I’ve got going on here since I’m talking about steampunkiness anytway: I remember telling some steampunk off because he was in character pretending to be a victorian man and he was talking about how he was more enlightened then the savages who didn’t understand science. I responded in character as well, seeing as thats how we were talking. I think I told him that savages was a savage way to refer to fellow human beings worthy of dignity and respect and he replied with something like ‘Well, they are fellow humans yes, but not enlightened men of SCIENCE!’ I don’t think I replied. I didn’t know what to say. Half of steampunk is about the fantastic technology and saying ‘Science isn’t as important as people you dolt’ seemed entirely too confrontational for me, and I couldn’t think of a way to tackle the subject in character.
I feel bad at going weak there and not knowing what to say. It was online, so I had time, but I still didn’t know what to do and just left…
The steampunk magazine forums were a pretty good place for pro-feminism in steampunk. In a comment thread once there this was said by an important member of the community:
(Before quoting it I’ll note that i don’t like the oppression olymipics between racism and sexism going on in this thing. I don’t know what race the author is, but I’ve got this sneaking suspicion she’s white and that her saying that there’s not much racism but lots of sexism is… demeaning? condecending? I’m not sure of the word… not good. but I digress….)
on racists and sexists in a scene…
I believe that, unfortunately, a scene will need to weather the existence and interest of these people, but not quietly. There is absolutely no reason we need to accept these people.
Most people, in my experience, are not overtly racist. their racism is at the ‘let’s cross the street there’s a black man up there’ level. (now, the justice system, on the other hand…)
but sexism is everywhere. If I had a nickel for every time some douchebag sleezeball tried some crap on a friend of mine at a club, I would be rich indeed. It just isn’t (this is only my opinion) taken very seriously in our culture, including most subcultures.
But we don’t need to be a subculture that refuses to take it seriously. We can talk to people about their sexist behavior. If that doesn’t work, we can shun them, so that they don’t influence the younger members.
And if that sounds exclusionary, think about how exclusionary a place is when it doesn’t feel safe. I’d much rather be welcoming to women than sexists.
This is no rant against men, far from it. I truly believe it is only the slim minority of subcultural men who would list ‘feminism’ as one of their dislikes.
But then later this thread insulting Allecto and feminism in general popped up, and no-one but me seemed to have much of a problem with it. So. There you go.
Umm.
Thats enough ranting from me for now. I wrote way, way, way more than I expected to, and I’ve not read over it/thought about it very much so I don’t know how much of it makes sense.
Littoral Mermaid tagged me with a meme. I err. Think I’ll do it. Not now though.