I was trawling on the internet and I came across this article talking about the response from the Advertising Standards Board to That Nandos Advertisement

Here’s a copy paste:

“Nando’s Australia Pty Ltd (Cinema pole-dancer)

(EXTRACT OF RULING JUNE 2007)- Complaint Dismissed

EXAMPLE OF COMPLAINTS

“The ad is almost as repulsive and sordid about men as it is about women. It exploits the current stupid notion that sexual exploitation is “empowering” for women in order to use sex to sell chicken. It is not empowering to see women represented as lust objects, nor is it remotely funny. It is just unspeakably demeaning.”

THE DETERMINATION

The Advertising Standards Board (“Board”) considered whether this advertisement breaches Section 2 of the Advertiser Code of Ethics (the “Code”). The Board noted that the advertisement had been classified M by CAD which meant that it could only be shown after 8.30pm and during the week from 12-3pm. The Board noted that the advertisement had only been shown at the cinema prior to an M classified movie which means that the movie is recommended for persons over the age of 15. The Board also noted the diverse issues raised in complaints about this advertisement.

The Board noted the complaints about the inappropriateness of stripping or pole dancing being shown in conjunction with images of a happy family and the disconnect between poledancing or stripping and family values. The Board considered that poledancing was not incompatible with family values and that there was no breach of the Code in this depiction.

The Board noted complaints that the advertisement vilified men by depicting the man at a pole dancing show, paying for the woman to dance. The Board considered that the man was depicted in a very sterile manner and not in a way that made him appear sexist or sleasy. The Board noted that the advertisement also depicted a man as the father with his family. The Board considered that the advertisement did not vilify men by showing a man enjoying a pole dancing show.

The Board noted complaints that the advertisement vilified women by depicting the woman poledancing and therefore as a stripper or a prostitute. The Board considered that the depiction of the woman pole dancing was not a depiction of a sleasy or overtly sexual woman and that there was no suggestion that the woman was a prostitute. The Board also noted that poledancing is becoming more mainstream with it currently being a popular form of exercise. While noting the change in attitude towards pole dancing the Board agreed that this change was probably not widespread in the community. Regardless of this the Board considered that this depiction of pole dancing was fairly clinical and not overtly sexual and was therefore not vilifying of women or inappropriately sexual.

The Board noted complaints that the advertisement’s reference to ‘nando fix patches’ amounted to a stereotypical portrayal of sex workers as addicts. The Board agreed that most members of the community would not see that there was any such suggestion in the advertisement.

The Board noted many complaints about the depiction of a mother and wife as a pole dancer/prostitute and considered that this vilified women. The Board considered that this advertisement depicted a strong in control woman who went about her work in a professional manner (wearing a suit to work), enjoyed her work, enjoyed being ’sexy’ and enjoyed time with her family. The Board considered that this advertisement depicted the woman as being a strong and empowered woman. The Board considered that the advertisement did not vilify women by portraying a woman in both roles or in a manner that demonstrated that she was ’sexy’. The Board considered that such a depiction was not improper as a depiction of someone who was also a mother and wife.

Lastly the Board considered the pole dancing scene and the woman’s near nudity. The Board noted that the woman’s breasts were covered (albeit by her hands), and that her nipples and genitals were not shown in the advertisement. The Board considered that the depiction of the woman pole dancing was fairly ‘clinical’ with no overtly sexual music and no touching by the man. The Board noted that even when the woman pokes her bottom out, the viewer sees this from the side and there is no actual nudity or inappropriately sexual views. The Board noted that the advertisement is rated M and is therefore not directed to small children or children under the age of 15 without parental supervision.

On this basis the majority of the Board considered that this part of the advertisement did not breach any of the provisions of the Code. The minority of the Board considered that this part of the advertisement was a breach of community standards in relation to sexuality. All members of the Board noted that the advertiser certainly meant to create an advertisement with some shock value and that this had been achieved. The Board agreed that the diversity of opinion within the Board about the advertisement was likely to reflect community views on the advertisement. Finding that the advertisement did not breach the Code on any grounds, the Board dismissed the complaint.”

Point of interest: “The Board noted complaints that the advertisement vilified men by depicting the man at a pole dancing show, paying for the woman to dance.”

I’m interested that MRA’s complained about this advertisement depicting men badly as being cheif buyers of stippers/prostitutes. Frankly men are primarily the people who buy strippers and prostitutes. I suppose depicting it might villify men seeing as the sex trade is encouraged by these men, and encouraging the sex trade is pretty inhuman since it encourages sex-trafficking and rape.

Also: The board considered the woman in the advertisement STRONG and EMPOWERED. So I guess the advertisement wasn’t pandering to men after all. Amirite?

Figuring out my place in things - class wise.

So, I’ve been a little confused about this class thing, I don’t think it works the same way here as it does in say America. For example, we’ve got HECS and have had free tertiary education programs, so lower class people being able to afford university isn’t so muvh an issue - but that there are other things that hold lower class people back from those areas.

In highschool there were streamlined paths of people who were gearing themselves up for tafe courses and to immediately get into the workforce, and other paths of people who were “university people” and you know, the university people tended to be the ones who spoke well and were encouraged by their families to study. I’ve known a bunch of people who were basically told “university is stupid”

The whole university things clouds things I think.

Anyway: My boyfriend and I sat down and had a talk about class and how we think it works in our country and where we think we are. I’ve said I feel uncomfotable calling myself “poor” because there are poorer then me, but I’m not middle class. When talking about it My boyfriend said “You’re lower middle class” which makes sense. My family was in about that area too.

His family were middle-middle class. And we think we live at the moment in a “lower middle class” sort of way, though because we’re in university we’ll have oppourtunities to go up, probably into middle class. He thinks that without him I would not likely push myself up too high. I don’t speak well, I’m trying to get into a male dominated field and being a woman could complicate that somewhat. I might not be able to get as high as I’d like. (I hate it, but its true.) You know. Things like that.

So. It’s interesting and good to have that sorted.

Also: I might make a future post about it. I might not: I read somewhere once that V for vendetta in comic book form was feminist, but I’ve started reading it, and it doesn’t seem to be that feminist to me. :/

Rudd is set to say sorry to the indigenous people of Australia on Wednesday.

I hate people.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23077028-3102,00.html

On the Queensland Gold Coast in October 2004 the parents of a 12 year old girl were arrested for prostututing their daughter out to 200 different men.
200. Jesus Christ.
In October 2004 I was graduating Highschool on a mountain on the Gold Coast which had a child sex ring at one point while I was growing up. I don’t know how long that ring went for, but I think its not there anymore.

I hate everyone.

A little girl prostituted to over 200 men, and they could only arrest one of the fuckers, ’cause he was the only one who admitted to knowing she was underage. She was fucking 12 years old. More then one of those fucks knew she was underage, oh yes. She apparently was sometimes pulled out of school to be raped by these men. They knew alright.
That 12 year old girl was raped, and raped and raped. Over and over and fucking over.

I’m sad. I’m sad, I’m angry and I’m bitter. I want that one day truce in which there is no rape and it hurts because that day isn’t going to come. 200 men can rape a 12 year old girl, and only one of them gets arrested. Only one?

How far away was she from me? Was she out in the hinterland where I used to live? Was she in the denser areas where I live now? Maybe she lived by the beach. She was someone near me. Raped and raped and raped.

How will we eliminate rape in a world where 199 men can get away with what was clearly the rape of a 12 year old girl?

Hey hey hey. It’s 12:01am, meaning it’s just clicked over to my 21st birthday (Horray.)

Better still. Check this shit out. I found it over at Hexpletive

Rudd will say sorry to Indigenous Australians.

<3

I have the privilege not to care.

I missed the international day of action against the NT invasion. I’d meant to write about it. I thought about it. But I forgot the date and let it slip by. If it affected me more I bet I would have never forgotten. My privilege. It be showin.’
Might as well write about it now ey?
I don’t know to well what to write. I wrote something vaguely about policies in the NT here. (A “why aren’t they doing this to white communities” thing) but that doesn’t really say much…

It’s hard for me to know what to say. The policies they’re implementing are clearly racist and fucked up. What gets me is how… self righteous so many Australians are about these things. Like. There was this thing where Howard was saying something like ‘Many Australians would be offended at the idea that they should say sorry to the Aboriginal people’
and then I was watching something like Today Tonight. Some politician from New Zealand called Howard a racist bastard because of the policies he’s implementing. Shit went down and he apologized to Howard and people from New Zealand. The presenter of the show I was watching was asking angrily why he hadn’t apologized to the Australian people, since they were the ones he insulted.

Offended. Insulted.

There are a bunch of Australians that get offended and insulted when you start piping up about racism. In the last week I’ve had two angry exchanges with real life friends this week. One of them was talking about how the settlers brought great things to this country and that there was only a supposed genocide anyway.
Supposed.
Supposed?

The other one was talking about how he earned everything he’s done in life. That university degree. All earned. I asked him how he earned the privilege of being in a decent neighborhood and going to a good primary school when he was younger. Just because “your primary school” is surely an example of unearned privilege that he’d understand, which he apparently seemed to get.
So passionate about things being right the way there are. “‘Supposed’ genocide.” “I earned everything I have”

Meanwhile ‘Ccording to that information sheet floating around the internet about the international day of solidarity against the NT invasion the government can take lands without compensation. Aboriginals who are doing alright under the Community Development Employment Program (CDEP) will be pushed onto welfare. Aboriginal communities will be monitored by outside folks put into positions of authority over who stays and who goes.
That and a whole slew of human rights abuses.
S’fucked.

Ima copy that thing here. The day might be over, but the information is still good.

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Call for Solidarity with Aboriginal People in the Northern Territory
Stop the Invasion!

International Day of Action, November 17th

In June this year, the Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, announced that there would be a ‘National Emergency Response’ to combat child abuse in Aboriginal communities in the Northern Territory. The measures announced included the quarantining of half of all welfare payments, the abolition of the Community Development Employment Program, the appointment of managers for 73 prescribed communities, compulsory sexual health examinations of children, and the abolition of the permit system, amongst other things.

These measures are a violation of human rights, and is obviously racist and authoritarian. The passage of the Emergency Response legislation is dependent on the suspension of the Racial Discrimination Act, and the Northern Territory Native Title Act. Federal police and the military have been sent into the NT to enforce these measures.

Aboriginal people that work through the Community Development Employment Program (CDEP) manage their own wages and money. Abolishing CDEP will push people onto welfare and the welfare income management system that allows for quarantining and tight control of how people’s money is spent. Many people running businesses on CDEP in remote outstations are already being forced to move into larger regional towns. The extraordinary measures give the Federal Government power to seize lands and property without compensation. The owners of those lands and properties have no right of appeal. Lands will be leased for five years, but the government has plans to extend these measures for 99 years. It is entirely up to ministerial discretion whether rent is paid on those lands or not.

The Federal Government has appointed non-Indigenous business managers to the ‘prescribed’ communities. These managers have the power to decide who lives in a community and who must leave; they can observe any meeting of an organisation working at the community, they can change any local programme. Many Aboriginal communities consider these measures, often being administered by under-prepared military personnel, as an invasion rather than an intervention.

These measures return Aboriginal people to the days of mission stations, where life was tightly controlled by authoritarian managers. It is a return to times of colonial control on Aboriginal life, and the complete absence of any autonomy or self-determination. The removal of basic property rights as enjoyed by all other Australians, with the abolition of the permit system, is a gross violation of human rights. Even the Northern Territory police oppose this measure, for the likely adverse effect it will have on crime.

Some $570 million is being spent on these measures. Half of that money will be spent on the salaries of 700 new bureaucratic positions created to regulate this intervention. $88 million will be spent on measures to control the incomes of Aboriginal people on any government payment (including aged pensions and veterans payments).

This is an insult to the hard work of Aboriginal people who have been campaigning for basic services in remote communities. Roads, schools, health care, housing and social services are desperately needed by these communities. It is estimated that the housing backlog alone for Northern Territory Aboriginal communities is half a billion dollars. Moreover, with the publication of the Closing the Gap report by Oxfam earlier this year, it has been shown that Indigenous life expectancy is 17 years below that of non-Indigenous life expectancy.

A week and a half ago, the Australian Prime Minister, John Howard, announced the Federal election for November 24th.

This came shortly after Australia voted against the UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous peoples (along with Canada, New Zealand and the USA).

It is time to stand up for justice for Indigenous peoples everywhere, to demand either a change of policy, or a change of government!

One week before the Australian Federal election, on November 17th, various groups across Australia will be taking action to show opposition to the Federal government’s intervention into the Northern Territory. We hope that those outside Australia will join us in calling for an end to this government, an end to racist, colonialist policies towards Indigenous people, and support for the strong self-determination that Indigenous people demonstrate every day.

With allegations that the Australian Federal government is manipulating international media about the intervention, it is vitally important that information about the intervention and views of Indigenous people in the Northern Territory are widely disseminated through social justice networks. Please use your community and activist media to promote the interests of Indigenous Australians, and Indigenous people worldwide!

Learn more:

National Aboriginal Alliance: nationalaboriginalalliance.org/

Combined Aboriginal Organisations of the Northern Territory - alternative to the government’s Emergency Response:
snaicc.asn.au/news/documents/CAOreport8july.pdf
Women for Wik: womenforwik.org/
Australians for Native Title and Reconciliation: antar.org.au/
Oxfam: oxfam.org.au/world/pacific/australia/
Koori Mail: koorimail.com/

Things you can do:

1. Organise a protest outside the Australian Consulate in your nearest city. Make it clear that the Howard government’s shameful opportunism on human rights is gathering international criticism.

2. Donate to the National Aboriginal Alliance.

3. Spread the news of this horrendous violation of human rights to as many people as possible. Write an article about it, post to your blog about it, send the news to your friends via email. Encourage your friends to speak out about it as well.

4. If you are part of a political organisation, collective, or group, please send your words of solidarity and support to the National Aboriginal Alliance. Send messages of solidarity to: secretariat at nationalaboriginalalliance dot org.

5. Write letters to Mal Brough, the Minister for Indigenous Affairs, or John Howard. You can find guidelines here: http://www.antar.org.au/action/current_actions/

More of the same:

4:23am - Remembered more conversation. Still stewing over things and thinking.

Dude: “Talking about how the aboriginal communities are fucked up, how children over there get molested and adults are alcoholics”
Me: “I don’t know much about aboriginal communities, but the mountain used to have a fucking child sex ring, and you think that adults up there weren’t alcoholics? There were fucked up children, and drugged up hippie parents who didn’t give a damn. Why don’t we ever hear about towns like the mountain, the fucking white towns with that fucked up shit? That’s fucking racism, that’s what that is”

Yes. By that pont in time I’d had a few too many beers. I’m sorta coming off the drunk feeling now. I don’t swear as much when I’m sober. In fact, my housemate laughs when i swear (and get into swearing fits) because he’s not used to it and he thinks I sound funny when I swear.

Still - lack of eloquence aside.

Why don’t we hear about towns like my old home on the news? Small out of the way rural WHITE towns, where child sex abuse is a problem, there’s a high number of alcoholics (not just adult alcoholics. Some survey was done, apparently my town had the worst underage drinking problem in the state.)
My town has been on the news a few times, I’ve seen it. Most times I’ve seen my town on TV it was because of some sort of touristy thing. Once someone broke into the IGA stole a safe and tried to drop it off the mountain where the hang-gliders jump, so hopefully the fall would break the safe. The fall didn’t break the safe. Once or twice there have been road accidents.
Our town got in the news because my school banned Harry Potter books for Christ Sakes.
Not once was the child sex ring mentioned to my knowledge.

Don’t nobody report on the kids doing drugs. Some guy who was apparently once a famous singer but I’d never heard of him - his son got put away because daytura did something to him that fucked him up permanately. That kid used to be a good friend of my brothers. Fuck, I was with that kid while he was tripping on acid thinking that the spiders were trying to get him.
No-one talks about that stuff in whitey-mc-white-ville.
No-one talks about the child sex ring. I only know about it properly because my boyfriends mum told me, but there are other snippets I remember.
My brother singing in a sing song voice “I talked to a pedophile, i talked to a pedophile, I talked to a pedophile and didn’t get raped!” (He was like 16 at the time I think.)

Story behind that: My brother worked at the local pub. My mother went there one night. (They did that a lot my parents. Went to the pub, drank wine. Drank lots of wine. I called mum an alcoholic once, because she drinks a lot and they hide alcohol around the house, she told me she wasn’t an alcoholic because on new years eve she only had ne drink. Anyway…)

Apparently most of the adults knew about this guy. Most of the ones in the pub anyway. Mum saw the pedo taling to my brother, and apparently she walked up and punched him in the face. That’s what my brother told me. Said how she told him about that guy.

There was a guy, a much older man who used to hang around in an area where a lot of young teens did, offering them drugs, partied with them. Not big paties, like… went to the skate bowl, went to see if anyone was there, did drugs with them. Knowing what I do about the town now… I’m so fucking lucky I wasn’t into the drugs, because I hang out in the places he did every day and that man now seems so suspicious to me. The girls he hung around, they were messed up, and got more messed up as time went by. Most of them moved away from the mountain too.
Fuck.
I don’t know what was goin on there but IT WAS NOT RIGHT.

Now I’m rambling and I’m rambling about my shitty town but here’s the thing. Who talks about what happens in my shitty town, and others like it? Where’s the fucking porn and alcohol ban for towns like my old town? What? What? No-one is reporting about white towns with child sex rings and alcoholic parents? What the fuck is up with that hey?

Racism is up.

FUUUUUUUCK.

Home sweet home.

I’ve been reading these accounts of sexual exploitation from the blogs of women in the UK and the US. I decided today that I would look into the trafficking of women here in my home country. So, while I’m looking at this I also learn about the situation of children in the sex industry, and I learn more about pedophiles in this great land.

Frankly, it’s sickening. I suppose I wasn’t expecting anything less, but now I know, and knowing is half the battle.

I found The Factbook on Global Sexual Exploitation and looked at their section on Australia. it all seems to be dated 1998, so almost 10 years ago. I don’t know how much has changed, but lets take a look at something which disturbed me… (Though there’s a good number of disturbing things on that page. You cen pretty much pick any sentence.)

“Australia is the 2nd largest downloader of child pornography in the world.”

That’s kind of chilling. I grew up on a small mountain which had a child sex ring, I never knew about it while I was a kid (guess I was lucky eh?) my boyfriends mother told me about it recently.
I thought that things like the child sex ring might have had something to do with why the sexual attitudes on that mountain were fucked up. Why I can count the number of girls I know who’ve admitted to having been sexually abused/raped on my left hand. (They’re just the ones who’ve admitted it. I don’t know how many of the people who I grew up with experienced this shit.)

I thought: An area which hosts child pornography just can’t be a place with healthy sexual attitudes. That’s got to be part of the reason why that town was so fucked.

Now I see Australia is the second largest downloader of child pornography. This is not a country with healthy sexual attitudes.

(As a note: We are/were second to Germany. I know that correlation doesn’t equal causation and all that, but isn’t it interesting thar both these countries have legalized prostitution?)

I found a pdf about Australia’s response to people trafficking. This one is dated 2004. http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/rn/2004-05/05rn20.pdf They talk about the difference between people smuggling, and trafficking and a few other things. Something that interested me was “The new focus on victim support” The plan was not only to focus on punishing the offenders, but also support for the victims Sound good?
Apparently not. The support they talk about comes in the form of a 30 day visa so that the women can stay in the country, and then when the visa runs out, they become eligible for the witness protection program. Victims only get this if they help the police with the investigations. Like the women aren’t going to be pressured not to help the police, like the women won’t be afraid to work for the police, like the women aren’t actually people at all.
Also, there was no talk in there about support in the form of counselling, support groups, or anything like that. Apparently “victim support” is just letting them stay in the country, provided that first they help with the investigations.
Call me stupid, but I don’t think that’s a whole lot of support.

So I find a another website this time dated 2005. (Finding them in acending order of date was a coincidence, I swear!)

Here we are told “Australia’s sex slavery laws are failing and police are not doing enough to free enslaved women. A sex industry insider says traffickers are turning to Korean women after police cracked down on the importation of Thai sex slaves.

The Australian Crime Commission confirmed that while the number of Thai sex workers in Australia had decreased, the number from South Korea had increased.

Industry insiders say traffickers will switch again as there have been no successful prosecutions for sexual servitude in Australia.”

Things are not looking good. Not at all.

I did in my brief googling find this group: http://www.projectrespect.org.au/
they look great. They look great. They look great. Jesus Christ, they look great!

Look at this!

“AIMS & PRINCIPLES

Aim 1: To provide support, information, advocacy and training to women in the sex industry.

Project Respect understands that women in the sex industry face great barriers to support, information, advocacy and training. We believe that while women are in the sex industry, they have a right to safety, respect, financial security, and support.

We are therefore committed to:

* Providing a regular outreach service to brothels, individual and family support and advocacy, information kits translated into relevant languages and leadership training to women in the sex industry.
* Challenging the women-blaming attitudes of society towards women in prostitution.

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Aim 2: To work towards community responses to prostitution and trafficking that are informed by a feminist perspective.

Project Respect believes that prostitution results from and strengthens structural inequalities of gender; in that the ‘clients’ are overwhelmingly men, and the ‘workers’ are overwhelmingly women. Project Respect believes that legalisation institutionalises prostitution and the exploitation of women. Project Respect believes that the purchase, not the supply, of prostitution should be criminalised. We are therefore committed to:

* Actively supporting women who want to exit the sex industry.
* Challenging the idea of male entitlement and forms of male power over women.
* Training, educating and lobbying relevant organisations and government departments on appropriate responses to prostitution.
* Raising community awareness of prostitution and providing a feminist perspective.
* Researching and documenting violence against women in the sex industry.

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Aim 3: To sustain a non-hierarchical, feminist culture that welcomes women from marginalised backgrounds, and challenges the mainstream organisational approach.

Project Respect believes that our organisational structure must reflect our understanding of gender, power, and exclusion.

We are therefore committed to:

* Working as a feminist organisation run by women for women.
* Involving women in the sex industry (past and present) in all aspects of the organisation.
* Involving women from a range of backgrounds in all aspects of the organization.
* Implementing an organisational structure that inherently promotes collaborative decision-making.
* Providing those involved with ongoing support, training and opportunities.
* Practices that limit harm to the environment and animals.”

I’ll be joining their messageboard. (They say they talk about events on their messageboard. Does this mean there’s anti-pornstitution events I might be able to attend? This is great!)
When I get my backpay, I might send them a big ol’ cheque.

In my head I’m squealing with joy. A radical feminist group, pro the criminalization of buying sex and not selling it, that is in my country, that I can join.

I guess that ends this on a good note.

Grrlcot Nandos Chicken

I just watched this advertisement on my television, just now. Umm. Jesus Christ.

What was the fucking point? Alright, we know that the point was to show women on a platter for the consumption of men, by showing a glam happy stripper with the hope that the many men who find the consumption of women funny, sexy, or otherwise good might also enjoy the consumption of Nando’s foodstuffs.

But…

Oh jesus Christ.

My friends eat at Nando’s every now and then. From now on, I aint joining them.

SupaNova - Interesting.

I went to SupaNova (a comic and anime convention.)

For the most part, I had a great day. My costume was not ready in time for the event, but that’s cool. I dyed my hair blue (something I have wanted to do for years, but was always afraid of people on the street and such heckling me.)

Later at some point I must post photos, I love it. <3

There was something I found very disappointing, some presenter in an event made a jovial comment about schoolgirl tentacle rape. I wrote an emailed letter of complaint. Here it is if anyone is interested:

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Dear Sir/Madam

I attended the first day of Supanova, and had a good time at the majority of the event, however I have a complaint to make.

I watched the Iron Artists competition hosted by Oztaku. At one point in the presentation one of the presenters mentioned a convention that he’s organizing, which he said is the only anime/geek convention in Australia not ashamed or worried by adult content. Jovially he talked about how at this convention you can buy tentacle rape pornography, with schoolgirls.

I understand that these comics and such do exist, but I feel it was completely inappropriate of the presenters to talk about rape, especially because they were smiling.

This was a family event, and I expect audience members were not expecting such conversation, I understand rape jokes are common in geek spaces, but it was entirely inappropriate for a presenter to conduct himself this way in front of a large audience.
Rape is a delicate subject, it is a crime which leaves the victims traumatized often for many years.
The subject of rape can be triggering, and very upsetting to people who have survived the crime. The presenters did not know the backgrounds of the people in the hall, and did not know if this would be a triggering response for members of their audience.

As a woman who has experienced rape, I must express my disappointment at the insensitivity that was displayed by these men.

I thank you for your time, and sincerely hope nothing like this will happen in future.

Yours Faithfully

(insert real name here)

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I have a friends account of the details as well:

http://rosek.livejournal.com/228367.html

It was otherwise a great day (and the dinner with the four lovely ladies was just great!)